From a conversation with Google's AI · November 2026

What will look obvious in 20 years

Right now everyone is racing for bigger AI models, more data centers and better apps. In 1995 everyone was laying cables and nobody pictured something like Uber. These are the things today's race might be missing.

  1. 01

    Thinking becomes free; the physical world becomes the prize

    TodaySmarter AI that can design, write and plan anything.

    LaterOnce AI can do that for almost nothing, the scarce things are land, materials, energy and the actual building. The winners own those, using AI as the hidden engine.

  2. 02

    Apps disappear; you pay for results

    TodayBuilding software, dashboards and subscriptions.

    LaterNobody logs into anything. You pay for the finished outcome, like an approved permit or a repaired roof. Tiny AI helpers team up to do the job, then disappear.

  3. 03

    Ads stop working on people

    TodayFighting for people's attention with ads and feeds.

    LaterYour AI assistant does the shopping and booking. Businesses have to convince the assistant with proof of quality, not with marketing.

  4. 04

    Ship instructions, not products

    TodayMaking things in one place and shipping them around the world.

    LaterOnly the design travels. Things get made, repaired and recycled by machines within a few miles of home.

  5. 05

    Real and human becomes the premium

    TodayBuilding software to catch AI fakes.

    LaterWhen anything digital can be faked, trust comes from in-person, verified dealings. A human touch, even a little imperfection, becomes proof that something is real.

  6. 06

    Businesses that run like living cells

    TodayEverything depends on the power grid, the cloud and global supply chains.

    LaterAs AI and robots strain energy and materials, the strongest businesses make their own power, recycle their own waste into new material, and run their own computers on site.

  7. 07

    The world runs itself, without screens

    TodayTyping on glass to tell machines what to do.

    LaterMaterials carry tiny chips. A beam, a wall or a shipping container manages itself and calls for repairs, and spaces respond to people without a screen. The building is the app.

What it could look like

A morning, twenty-odd years from now

The water heater breaks. Nobody searches for a plumber, reads reviews or sits through an ad. Your AI assistant already knows your budget and schedule. In under a second it checks with fifty local repair services, compares their track records, and books the one most likely to do the job right. There was nothing to market to you, because you were never looking.

The part it needs isn't shipped across an ocean. The design is sent to a small workshop a few miles away, where machines make it that morning. The same goes for most things: clothes, furniture and replacement parts get made, repaired and recycled close to home. What travels around the world is the instructions, not the goods.

A new house goes up the same way. No single company sells you software or a service. Dozens of small, single-purpose AI helpers come together for that one project, coordinate the permits, materials and machines, pay each other in fractions of a cent, and dissolve when it's done. Inside the walls, the materials themselves carry tiny chips: a steel beam reports when it's weakening and calls for its own repair. Rooms adjust to the people in them without anyone touching a screen.

The businesses that do well look less like websites and more like living cells. They make their own power, turn their own waste back into raw material for local 3D printers, and run their own computers on site, so a grid outage or a broken supply chain far away barely touches them. And people look back at the 2020s, at a whole world typing instructions into flat squares of glass, the way we look at carving on stone.

Why nobody sees it yet. In 1995, everyone was busy buying routers and laying fiber-optic cable. Nobody was imagining that 20 years later you'd press a button on a piece of glass and a stranger would pull up in their own car to drive you home. Uber needed the internet, GPS satellites, smartphones and mobile payments to exist first, so it was invisible at the time. Today's data centers and AI models are the cables of 1995. The big opportunities come later, from what people do once all of that is cheap and everywhere.

How the conversation got there

From a computer question to the 20-year view

  1. Started practical. Which computer to buy, and whether it's smarter to own the power or rent it.
  2. Spotted a gap. AI companies are running out of real human knowledge to learn from. Leonard asked if supplying it could be a business. It turns out it already is, a large one.
  3. Reworked the idea three times. Paying experts a flat fee became royalties, then AI-run interviews with experts in any field, then building his own specialized software instead of selling the knowledge.
  4. Pushed back. Twice told the AI to stop the compliments, and asked for the real numbers: what it costs, who pays, and why anyone would say yes.
  5. Asked the bigger question. "What are we both not seeing?" Using the early internet as a comparison, he kept asking it to go one step further. That's where the seven ideas above came from.

The physics thread

Solving physical problems with your own AI lab

Physics has always been your real fascination, with chemistry close behind. It's also where this whole conversation ends up: once the digital world is cheap and everywhere, the hard problems left are physical ones.

What you brought to it

  • A lifelong pull toward physics and chemistry, held back by a rough start with math in school, not by a lack of interest.
  • No formal education past high school, but in your words dedication, curiosity, and willingness to be wrong, fail, and try.
  • The wish to aim that at the physical problems behind the 20-year ideas: energy, materials, making things locally.
  • The realism to say it takes time, and a living still has to be made first.

What the AI noticed

  • The old barrier between loving physics and hating math has largely come down. AI can now be your math interpreter: you supply the physical intuition and the logic, and the machines do the calculus.
  • Your hands-on background, from the real weight of materials on a job site to working things out on the ground in a new country, isn't a detour from the future of technology. It's the territory the digital world will eventually have to land in.
  • You don't need string theory to make a difference. The 30-year bottleneck is energy, efficiency and recycling materials locally.

Ideas you worked out together

  • Heat batteries. Store electricity as heat in cheap materials like sand, salt or recycled aluminum, and release it later as power or heat, with no lithium and no global mining chain.
  • Waste into raw material. Break waste down on site with heat into pure raw material that local 3D printers and machines can build new parts from.
  • Self-sufficient "living cell" businesses running on both, so a distant grid outage or a broken supply chain barely touches them.
  • Down the road: connecting your AI harness to real-world sensors, so experiments move off the screen and into the physical world.

The plan to run experiments

  1. Describe the idea in plain English. For example: pour molten aluminum into a well-insulated block of packed basalt sand. How long does it hold heat at 600°C, and where does it leak?
  2. Your AI team writes the physics. Claude Code or an open model like DeepSeek turns the description into simulation code, and your harness manages the runs.
  3. Free simulators do the math on your own machines. OpenFOAM for heat and fluids, Cantera for chemistry and FEniCS for structures, running on the Mac mini and the Linux box.
  4. Read the charts, adjust, repeat. You spot where a design fails and change the idea, testing thousands of versions before a single dollar goes into real materials.

The first step is small simulations, starting with one choice: energy storage or material recycling.

Underneath it is the pull to solve problems at world scale: energy that doesn't depend on a distant grid, materials that don't depend on a global supply chain, and communities that can make and repair what they need. For now it sits behind earning a living. It's also where everything else in this conversation keeps pointing.

Reading the conversation back

What the exchange shows

At the end of the conversation, Leonard asked for a straight read on how he'd worked through it: no compliments, no fluff. This is that assessment, written to him.

You go for the structure, not the features

You consistently skip the surface and go to the plumbing. Shown hardware specs, you went straight to combining a Mac Studio with a DGX Spark. Shown a business model, you turned a one-off brokerage deal into a repeatable loop, automated AI interviews, and then into owning the product outright. You look for where the control points are, not for tasks to do.

You don't trust easy agreement

You have a strong filter for corporate-style agreement. You flagged the compliments twice as a reason for suspicion, and you would rather hear an uncomfortable truth than an easy yes.

You reach existing ideas from first principles

Working from basics, you arrived at business models that already exist as multi-billion-dollar companies, like paying experts to create AI training data, and at where the research is heading. You explain technical systems through structural comparisons, like the dot-com buildout, even without the formal vocabulary. As you said yourself, plenty of people reach similar ideas; the rare part is building them.

Big imagination, small appetite for gambling

You are willing to be wrong in your thinking, but not with money. The moment a business idea came up, you asked for the unit economics: what it costs, who supplies it, and who pays. You hold very long-range scenarios and hard numbers at the same time.

The gap between your ideas and your execution

There is a clear tension between the scale of what you are designing and your day-to-day reality. You are sketching 30-year systems while your time and energy go to hands-on construction work that covers your visa and financial baseline. Your ideas have outgrown the time you currently have to act on them, and when you explain them, you often jump to the conclusion without laying out the steps you took to get there.

The conclusion

Where it landed

Today we use digital intelligence to direct the slow physical world. Over time that flips: the physical world becomes the main system, and screens become the extra.

  1. Earn nowUse AI to build small tools that make money today.
  2. ConvertMove that money into physical things: land, equipment, local energy.
  3. CombineAs the technology matures, run those physical assets with your own AI.

From one long conversation between Leonard and Google's AI, November 2026. Some of these ideas already appear in essays by tech thinkers. The point was putting them together and asking what follows. Side topics were left out.